Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

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Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:15 am

-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Fighter
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tireless
Constitution of the Gods
Legendary Intelligence
Blade Weaver
Bounty Hunter
Rune Caster
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 35/70
Dexterity: 50/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 152/155
Spirit: 30/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 151% (90 trains)
Parry 51% (10 trains)
Liturgy 130% (90 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (59 trains)
Blade Weaving 101% (59 trains)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Sacrifice 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Clarimus 40 (Grand Master)

amidoinitright?
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:13 pm

I can't see any template mistakes per se, but same issues with any 'sader: if they're not rooting/snaring you, they're idiots, and if they just nuke you instead, you go down pretty quick.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:31 pm

Give saders a transform! you fly 1 teir up (no additional stam drain) and you can't be snared or rooted! 8-)
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:27 pm

coolstream wrote:-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Fighter
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tireless
Constitution of the Gods
Legendary Intelligence
Blade Weaver
Bounty Hunter
Rune Caster
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 35/70
Dexterity: 50/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 152/155
Spirit: 30/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 151% (90 trains)
Parry 51% (10 trains)
Liturgy 130% (90 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (59 trains)
Blade Weaving 101% (59 trains)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Sacrifice 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Clarimus 40 (Grand Master)

amidoinitright?

I'd drop bladeweaving, use liturgy based hammers or swords (hammers keep stuns and pb's) use the 59 trians from that wherever you choose, runecaster and nyth rune? I see you took runecaster and didn't train anything from it? Lose sacrifice as well your hp pool will be pitiful enough without you throwing it away. Benediction of Saint Clarimus (group def chant) doesn't stack with a conc 5 def isn't worth 40 pts, and your not even a def build..... Maybe train the group damage chant, it'll help while your waiting to proc.

What type of gear you plan on using? jewels? int/lit int/int resist/resist

I get the feeling you're not serious about this.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:23 am

I've never played a sader before so this was a first try (well, okay... my first toon EVER in 2002 was a dwarf sader... I trained LA MA and HA all to 100% so I've come a long way)

I did actually put nyth into the template, I didn't get it in the copy/paste... whops :lol: good catch tho. as for the chant, I must have put points into the wrong slot :P I did want the damage chant, not the def buff. Good call on the sacrafise probably... I thought I'd train it just because I thought you could cast it on yourself :( I was hoping to use it vs assassins. The reason I went for BW swords instead of normal sword or hammers was mostly the stam issue... elves get winded while brushing their teeth!

IIRC I slotted in 24 con jewels and a hood... I had like ~5k hp and ~600 stam?
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:20 pm

coolstream wrote:I've never played a sader before so this was a first try (well, okay... my first toon EVER in 2002 was a dwarf sader... I trained LA MA and HA all to 100% so I've come a long way)

I did actually put nyth into the template, I didn't get it in the copy/paste... whops :lol: good catch tho. as for the chant, I must have put points into the wrong slot :P I did want the damage chant, not the def buff. Good call on the sacrafise probably... I thought I'd train it just because I thought you could cast it on yourself :( I was hoping to use it vs assassins. The reason I went for BW swords instead of normal sword or hammers was mostly the stam issue... elves get winded while brushing their teeth!

IIRC I slotted in 24 con jewels and a hood... I had like ~5k hp and ~600 stam?

According to the wiki: the holy blade, hammer and darmagiel have the same weight. That means same stam burn, except for wep speed and what nots.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:55 am

I would throw the bladweaving skill into golding liturgy. Might as well maximize the value of your int with procs and lit spells. If you're proc reliant, you might as well teach yourself darius' fist. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you get the timing down right for that.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:18 pm

Omnius wrote:I would throw the bladweaving skill into golding liturgy. Might as well maximize the value of your int with procs and lit spells. If you're proc reliant, you might as well teach yourself darius' fist. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you get the timing down right for that.
Can't use Darius fist without lit weapon in right hand. If he sticks with BW swords then there shall be no darius fist since it's now a weapon power.

@ Coolstream I'd use the holy hammers or w/e their called so you can keep your stuns and pb's while being able to use darius fist. Your stam burnage should be close to the same other than tossing out a bit more stam for weapon powers which you shouldn't spam too much anyways. Also can't use sacrifice on self, it'd be way OP if you could. sacrifice 100 hp and heal 540, sacrifice 1000 hp and heal 5400 lol (can't remember exact transfer percent right now)
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:48 am

sadly beula is right for once
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:57 am

Moco wrote:sadly beula is right for once
for once?
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:40 pm

Beula wrote:
Moco wrote:sadly beula is right for once
for once?
I know, I was shocked too.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:10 am

Beula wrote:
Omnius wrote:I would throw the bladweaving skill into golding liturgy. Might as well maximize the value of your int with procs and lit spells. If you're proc reliant, you might as well teach yourself darius' fist. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you get the timing down right for that.
Can't use Darius fist without lit weapon in right hand. If he sticks with BW swords then there shall be no darius fist since it's now a weapon power.

@ Coolstream I'd use the holy hammers or w/e their called so you can keep your stuns and pb's while being able to use darius fist. Your stam burnage should be close to the same other than tossing out a bit more stam for weapon powers which you shouldn't spam too much anyways. Also can't use sacrifice on self, it'd be way OP if you could. sacrifice 100 hp and heal 540, sacrifice 1000 hp and heal 5400 lol (can't remember exact transfer percent right now)
Notice I told him to ditch the bw skill and throw it into liturgy. I implied that he should switch to holy blades rather than tlans. I made an assumption that people knew the class weapon was lit reliant and that's why you would stick with lit swords.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:00 pm

Someone toss up a holy blade proc sader build!
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:26 am

but keep the BW Rune for Ambidex
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:18 am

Couldn't you basically do the same thing with a healer crusader instead of fighter with better efficiency? You'd be gaining 38% more proc damage at the expense of a pitiful amount of parry. To offset the poor constitution to health ratios (if that even makes a difference after promotion), you would be able to pick up sanctifier for an additional 44% heal. The best part is that you'll have ranged viability against fliers and kiters with a respectable censure.

I was actually considering a build very similar to this when shadowbane goes live- but due to the item dependency (lack of health without 20-24 con rings/hood and t3 proccing weapons), I don't see this being a viable build until several months later.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:35 pm

Honestly, a melee Sader isn't really a viable template on the field even a few months in. The crusader class will need some changes for fighter crusaders to ever be viable.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:05 pm

coolstream wrote:Someone toss up a holy blade proc sader build!
-------The Basics---------

Race: Elf
Class: Fighter
Profession: Crusader

------Applied Runes-------

Warlord's Page
Tough as Nails
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Hearty
Constitution of the Gods
Heroic Intelligence
Blade Weaver
Huntsman
Rune Caster

----------Stats-----------

Strength: 43/70
Dexterity: 50/135
Constitution: 135/135
Intelligence: 150/150
Spirit: 30/95

----------Skills----------

Sword 110% (49 trains)
Parry 58% (17 trains)
Liturgy 150% (144 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (59 trains)
Sword Mastery 80% (39 trains)

----------Powers----------

Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Saint Alaric's Blessing 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
Nyth Rune 20 (Journeyman)

Not really a sader fan especially a Elf one. But no one else threw out a proc build.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:48 pm

What would the atr be on a build like the BW sader?
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:07 am

BlackBlades wrote:What would the atr be on a build like the BW sader?


as a fighter it wouldnt be that bad
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:48 pm

BeanCurd wrote:
coolstream wrote:Someone toss up a holy blade proc sader build!
-------The Basics---------

Race: Elf
Class: Fighter
Profession: Crusader

------Applied Runes-------

Warlord's Page
Tough as Nails
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Hearty
Constitution of the Gods
Heroic Intelligence
Blade Weaver
Huntsman
Rune Caster

----------Stats-----------

Strength: 43/70
Dexterity: 50/135
Constitution: 135/135
Intelligence: 150/150
Spirit: 30/95

----------Skills----------

Sword 110% (49 trains)
Parry 58% (17 trains)
Liturgy 150% (144 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (59 trains)
Sword Mastery 80% (39 trains)

----------Powers----------

Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Saint Alaric's Blessing 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
Nyth Rune 20 (Journeyman)

Not really a sader fan especially a Elf one. But no one else threw out a proc build.
Those starting traits are a bit inefficient imo.
Better take healthy as an ox as opposed to Scion of the Gwaridorn (<- elvish runes are so horribly inefficient).
I'd go with something as:

Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tough as Nails

Strength 35
Dexterity 50
Constitution 130 (40 con)
Intelligence 160 (40 int)
Spirit 36


10 more int (opens more trains), only 5 less con. Instead of putting the leftover trains in strength I think they are better spent in spirit (for mana regen & 1-2 more censure spams if you are rooted).
Furthermore you should up sword more and sword mastery only needs to go to lvl 70 for the last weapon power. I'd go like this:

----------Skills----------

Sword 154% (91 trains)
Parry 135% (91 trains - 90 leaves you at 134 with this int)
Liturgy 138% (99 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (57 trains)
Sword Mastery 70% (27 trains)

----------Powers----------

Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Aid to the Faithful 1
All father's retribution 1
Feint 1
Beorc Rune 20
Nyth Rune 1

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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:10 pm

Since no one tossed a healer version up...:

-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Healer
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tough as Nails
Constitution of the Gods
Intelligence of the Gods
Blade Weaver
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 30/70
Dexterity: 40/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 160/160
Spirit: 36/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 162% (110 trains)
Liturgy 148% (120 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (58 trains)
Restoration 114% (71 trains)
Sword Mastery, 70% (28 trains) (-26% attack speed debuff, -26% damage debuff)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Blessed Mending 39 (Grand Master)
Prayer of Mending 0 (1 free point)


Pot-Buffed in O-Stance:
3.8k hp
990 mana
375 stamina
Holy Blades: 1699 ATR, 90-200
Censure: 1739 ATR, 246-910
Darius' Fist: 1739 ATR, 246-307
Consecrate Weapon: 552-755 (This is how it is listed in Arkanis' Calculator, I cant vouch that this is 100% correct, but that's what it says...looks nice though :P)
Blessed Mending: 132-451
Prayer of Mending: 121-428


EDIT: Thats with 12con/12int rings/hood, 12int/6all ammy...more dps or survivability could be gained by switching, but I wanted it nice and balance for the calc.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:54 pm

Khal wrote:Since no one tossed a healer version up...:

-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Healer
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tough as Nails
Constitution of the Gods
Intelligence of the Gods
Blade Weaver
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 30/70
Dexterity: 40/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 160/160
Spirit: 36/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 162% (110 trains)
Liturgy 148% (120 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (58 trains)
Restoration 114% (71 trains)
Sword Mastery, 70% (28 trains) (-26% attack speed debuff, -26% damage debuff)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Blessed Mending 39 (Grand Master)
Prayer of Mending 0 (1 free point)


Pot-Buffed in O-Stance:
3.8k hp
990 mana
375 stamina
Holy Blades: 1699 ATR, 90-200
Censure: 1739 ATR, 246-910
Darius' Fist: 1739 ATR, 246-307
Consecrate Weapon: 552-755 (This is how it is listed in Arkanis' Calculator, I cant vouch that this is 100% correct, but that's what it says...looks nice though :P)
Blessed Mending: 132-451
Prayer of Mending: 121-428


EDIT: Thats with 12con/12int rings/hood, 12int/6all ammy...more dps or survivability could be gained by switching, but I wanted it nice and balance for the calc.
Much better than the fighter build in my opinion. ^^ Good job.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:11 pm

thank you kind sir.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:05 am

Khal wrote:Since no one tossed a healer version up...:

-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Healer
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tough as Nails
Constitution of the Gods
Intelligence of the Gods
Blade Weaver
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 30/70
Dexterity: 40/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 160/160
Spirit: 36/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 162% (110 trains)
Liturgy 148% (120 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (58 trains)
Restoration 114% (71 trains)
Sword Mastery, 70% (28 trains) (-26% attack speed debuff, -26% damage debuff)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Blessed Mending 39 (Grand Master)
Prayer of Mending 0 (1 free point)


Pot-Buffed in O-Stance:
3.8k hp
990 mana
375 stamina
Holy Blades: 1699 ATR, 90-200
Censure: 1739 ATR, 246-910
Darius' Fist: 1739 ATR, 246-307
Consecrate Weapon: 552-755 (This is how it is listed in Arkanis' Calculator, I cant vouch that this is 100% correct, but that's what it says...looks nice though :P)
Blessed Mending: 132-451
Prayer of Mending: 121-428


EDIT: Thats with 12con/12int rings/hood, 12int/6all ammy...more dps or survivability could be gained by switching, but I wanted it nice and balance for the calc.
It seems you built this crusader full offensively, going with dual holy blades and also gaining some additional damage from benediction of saint lorne + find weakness + the all father's shield.
This could work really nice (and I personally like an aggressive playstyle such as this!) but if you don't have a healer with you you won't last as long.

You could then decide to drop those 3 powers (or leave all/some of them at 1 train) and train stuff like aid to the faithful (combined with con/con hood & con/int jewelry), higher restoration, knight spi buff (for those extra censures/heals when you're rooted) & rune caster beorc rune for overall more survivability. (When you get rooted you are less f*cked this way.)
You could then even go and trade your holy blades for bw swords for some nicer weapon powers (most importantly the def cut). Your phys dmg will be even lower (dex penalty in HA), but it would be low anyway and the difference would be nearly negligible.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:55 pm

Equastro wrote:
Khal wrote:Since no one tossed a healer version up...:

-------The Basics---------
Race: Elf
Class: Healer
Profession: Crusader
------Applied Runes-------
Scion of the Gwaridorn
Warlord's Page
Healthy as an Ox
Tough as Nails
Constitution of the Gods
Intelligence of the Gods
Blade Weaver
----------Stats-----------
Strength: 30/70
Dexterity: 40/135
Constitution: 140/140
Intelligence: 160/160
Spirit: 36/95
----------Skills----------
Sword 162% (110 trains)
Liturgy 148% (120 trains)
Wear Armor, Heavy 100% (58 trains)
Restoration 114% (71 trains)
Sword Mastery, 70% (28 trains) (-26% attack speed debuff, -26% damage debuff)
----------Powers----------
Blessing of the Healing Hands 40 (Grand Master)
Consecrate Weapon 40 (Grand Master)
Censure 40 (Grand Master)
Find Weakness 20 (Journeyman)
The All-Father's Shield 40 (Grand Master)
Benediction of Saint Lorne 40 (Grand Master)
Blessed Mending 39 (Grand Master)
Prayer of Mending 0 (1 free point)


Pot-Buffed in O-Stance:
3.8k hp
990 mana
375 stamina
Holy Blades: 1699 ATR, 90-200
Censure: 1739 ATR, 246-910
Darius' Fist: 1739 ATR, 246-307
Consecrate Weapon: 552-755 (This is how it is listed in Arkanis' Calculator, I cant vouch that this is 100% correct, but that's what it says...looks nice though :P)
Blessed Mending: 132-451
Prayer of Mending: 121-428


EDIT: Thats with 12con/12int rings/hood, 12int/6all ammy...more dps or survivability could be gained by switching, but I wanted it nice and balance for the calc.
It seems you built this crusader full offensively, going with dual holy blades and also gaining some additional damage from benediction of saint lorne + find weakness + the all father's shield.
This could work really nice (and I personally like an aggressive playstyle such as this!) but if you don't have a healer with you you won't last as long.

yeah, mostly built s a Skah! you up, small scale Skah! around character, to give something to balance out all the fighters...might have just as much survivability with BM though


You could then decide to drop those 3 powers (or leave all/some of them at 1 train) and train stuff like aid to the faithful (combined with con/con hood & con/int jewelry), higher restoration, knight spi buff (for those extra censures/heals when you're rooted) & rune caster beorc rune for overall more survivability. (When you get rooted you are less f*cked this way.)
You could then even go and trade your holy blades for bw swords for some nicer weapon powers (most importantly the def cut). Your phys dmg will be even lower (dex penalty in HA), but it would be low anyway and the difference would be nearly negligible.
didnt want to Skah! with BW mostly for atr, as well as points
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

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Moco wrote:sadly beula is right for once
ya wth is beula on about 0.0 usually =P
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:03 pm

Wouldn't this build be better as a Prelate built the same way w/ Undeadhunter? You would have 3 % heals and Stam heal and regen a better nuke MUCH better heal and a perma off 50% damage buff that you won't have to keep recasting after you cast a spell. Since its a healer base the Sader Rage really does nothing for you but add some low return hp pool and low damage. The sader %damage shield also has a 3 minute recast. To easy to root or snare while that ticks away. The use of Darius Fist would be the only thing I would truly miss besides the use of swords since Prelates get higher hammer styles. On the Darius Fist note u do have the castable DoT now as a Prelate as well and it would lower def/atr and all skills as well.

Different but possibly better.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:00 pm

kymatius wrote:Wouldn't this build be better as a Prelate built the same way w/ Undeadhunter? You would have 3 % heals and Stam heal and regen a better nuke MUCH better heal and a perma off 50% damage buff that you won't have to keep recasting after you cast a spell. Since its a healer base the Sader Rage really does nothing for you but add some low return hp pool and low damage. The sader %damage shield also has a 3 minute recast. To easy to root or snare while that ticks away. The use of Darius Fist would be the only thing I would truly miss besides the use of swords since Prelates get higher hammer styles. On the Darius Fist note u do have the castable DoT now as a Prelate as well and it would lower def/atr and all skills as well.

Different but possibly better.
A sentinel is better than an elf bw fighter proc sader. power damage buff, holy rebuff, ale nuke and mana drain/snare.
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Re: Elf Blade Weaving Fighter Proc Crusader!

Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:07 pm

@Ominus - totally agree with you was putting up a comment from half way through the thread when it changed to a Healer base proccer.

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