melee druid?

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Re: melee druid?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:32 pm

Moco wrote:
coolstream wrote:WE MUST KUNG FU FIGHT!
your ON!
We will have to have a comp once server is live best melee druid build :lol:
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:12 pm

Morduskull wrote:
Moco wrote:
coolstream wrote:WE MUST KUNG FU FIGHT!
your ON!
We will have to have a comp once server is live best melee druid build :lol:
I shall win.. once I get gear that is :x
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:06 pm

I've said it once, twice, hell maybe a thousand or more times. Don't build a melee druid, it is fun but isn't viable at all compared to almost any other class tbh.
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:02 am

Reaper989 wrote:I've said it once, twice, hell maybe a thousand or more times. Don't build a melee druid, it is fun but isn't viable at all compared to almost any other class tbh.
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:08 am

Also, my melee druid could beat up your melee druid :D

I remember when I forgot I could make a UA melee druid, then I lawled as I killed a few CN with a UA/Shield druid stance dancing like a boss.
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:29 am

Reaper989 wrote:Also, my melee druid could beat up your melee druid :D

I remember when I forgot I could make a UA melee druid, then I lawled as I killed a few CN with a UA/Shield druid stance dancing like a boss.
did it have 2k defs in off stance? :lol:
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:43 am

Moco wrote:
Reaper989 wrote:Also, my melee druid could beat up your melee druid :D

I remember when I forgot I could make a UA melee druid, then I lawled as I killed a few CN with a UA/Shield druid stance dancing like a boss.
did it have 2k defs in off stance? :lol:
u jelly? :D

I'll most likely have to make it sometime or another if I really feel like wasting resources.... such a wasteful template tbh. But it probly won't go above 1.9k without siege buff tbh.
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Re: melee druid?

Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:16 pm

Hey I started playing around with a char builder and
I just wanted to know if a druid can train swords?

I know Elf grants it, but I was going for a different
race. Since he gets a dex based sword I figured he
might get the sword skill as well.

Also it was not possible to pick proficient with
swords, which should be available to healer and
mage right?

I really need to know so I can make a meele druid
build :)

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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:47 am

Ok so it is possible to take proficient with swords for aelfborn healers!

Based on this I made a build with werewolf. The problem is stamina,
also with gear I can get up to 300 Stam and still get alot of def.

I dont want to put the whole build in here but based on the calculator
from Arkanis (with gear, buffs and wolf form):

Str: 90
Dex: 332
Con: 234
Int: 115
Spi: 90

HP: 3399
Stam: 293

Def: 2631 (def stance)
Attack: 1265
Dmg: 111-496

The build is based on dex with a shield and the dex based sword
for druids (natures wrath). No other healer class gets a dex based
sword, so druid is the only option for shield plus a good 1h dex based weapon.

Do you guys think 293 stam is enough to kill someone? :D

This is a fun char btw and only with the best gear the above is possible!
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:12 am

Make it a ranger.
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:17 am

Talysin wrote:Ok so it is possible to take proficient with swords for aelfborn healers!

Based on this I made a build with werewolf. The problem is stamina,
also with gear I can get up to 300 Stam and still get alot of def.

I dont want to put the whole build in here but based on the calculator
from Arkanis (with gear, buffs and wolf form):

Str: 90
Dex: 332
Con: 234
Int: 115
Spi: 90

HP: 3399
Stam: 293

Def: 2631 (def stance)
Attack: 1265
Dmg: 111-496

The build is based on dex with a shield and the dex based sword
for druids (natures wrath). No other healer class gets a dex based
sword, so druid is the only option for shield plus a good 1h dex based weapon.

Do you guys think 293 stam is enough to kill someone? :D

This is a fun char btw and only with the best gear the above is possible!
Druids get sword at promotion... make it ranger either way as they get better returns and their form is better then WW while having GM track. Plus with that atr if your wereform goes down you're done, stam will run out to fast to do DPS (No attack speed buffs or decent WPs)
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:48 am

Yeah stam is pretty low :( sad

Doesnt conc potions give the atk speed buff?
If not druids still get one.

The reason I made a druid is the shield, with
the def stance. No other class can do this as
well as the druid since he is healer based.

As a ranger with fighter base the attack would
be lower and the attack speed as well!
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:45 am

Talysin wrote:Yeah stam is pretty low :( sad

Doesnt conc potions give the atk speed buff?
If not druids still get one.

The reason I made a druid is the shield, with
the def stance. No other class can do this as
well as the druid since he is healer based.

As a ranger with fighter base the attack would
be lower and the attack speed as well!
Easy fix, click offensive stance and enjoy the added attack speed and damage from that. Higher DpS over all, you still get your shield, and more hp/stam. Wolf form helps too
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:10 am

its not always possible to stance dance, especially in gvg

Ok I can see the meele druid is not great :D but a dex
based ranger with a shield in off stance does not even
make any sense. You would certainly go for dw and la ...


But this is still about the druid. In def stance at all times
and in pres stance for def chars. No other healer class
gets a dex based 1h sword with good stats. And the
combination of high dex + shield is crazy for def reasons.

This char could have enormous def with more int for 133
trains in la and block. But that would put the stam under
200.

Also the druid gets two wolf forms and with it some meele
attacks on a high powerlevel (right? Im not sure about this
but on morloch they rank 40). If this is not the case, if they
are infact only at 20 or even lower, this build does not make
much sense.

If the meele attacks are high enough it makes for a decent
meele char with alot of def, who may not be able to kill much,
but he will survive and draw some fire in gvg, plus [fluffy bunnies] off
some mages while doing it.


Again this only works with really good gear, so even if its possible
I will only test it once I got the gear to pull it off.
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Talysin wrote:its not always possible to stance dance, especially in gvg

Ok I can see the meele druid is not great :D but a dex
based ranger with a shield in off stance does not even
make any sense. You would certainly go for dw and la ...


But this is still about the druid. In def stance at all times
and in pres stance for def chars. No other healer class
gets a dex based 1h sword with good stats. And the
combination of high dex + shield is crazy for def reasons.

This char could have enormous def with more int for 133
trains in la and block. But that would put the stam under
200.

Also the druid gets two wolf forms and with it some meele
attacks on a high powerlevel (right? Im not sure about this
but on morloch they rank 40). If this is not the case, if they
are infact only at 20 or even lower, this build does not make
much sense.

If the meele attacks are high enough it makes for a decent
meele char with alot of def, who may not be able to kill much,
but he will survive and draw some fire in gvg, plus [fluffy bunnies] off
some mages while doing it.


Again this only works with really good gear, so even if its possible
I will only test it once I got the gear to pull it off.

Wasn't talking about a ranger jumping into O stance, however, you can easily and still get 4k HP with amazing defense along with % heal from the form.

Even with the dex based sword it isn't worth it, at all. You can get a heal on a ranger and not hurt your healing as well. As you stated (Agreeing with my previous post) tho your stam is low on a healer... thus not worth it.

Druid gets 2 forms, if, they skip on huntsmen. The weapon powers from those forms are GM. you gain a def cut, bleed if you have the trains, and a slash expose. And if your dmg buff runs out you won't beable to cast it in-form.

With that defense, ya they might [fluffy bunnies] someone off but a ranger doing the same thing can get alot more defense and be more viable at melee.

Also a mage with int/spr/dex/str debuff in P stance is gonna eat you sideways, it's not worth it.

I don't say this because of just the numbers alone, I've done it and it isn't worth it regardless of how roflsauce it is to kill people with those templates.
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:22 am

Ok thanks for the infos ;)

So I gotta look for another char with wereform,
I made way too many rangers in my time already!
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:10 pm

Talysin wrote:Ok thanks for the infos ;)

So I gotta look for another char with wereform,
I made way too many rangers in my time already!
Warrior and Barbs are your only choice tbh... outside of that to many useful abilities break wereform. Even then, warriors obviously can't take DK with a wereform and barbs can't use AoE stun in a wereform :(
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Moco wrote:
Morduskull wrote:
VorgrimScout wrote:Maybe I will make a werebear staff druid and force some idiots to delete their accounts then....

Joke toon, but the dmg and lockdown capabilities would be reasonable. It would be worth it just to say you are a melee druid tbh.
Bit like the staff mage lock
Staff/BM mage locks are actually pretty effective/devastating unlike a druid
Staff Locks kick [fluffy bunnies].. Only way i can see a Melee druid being viable would be something crazy like a Aelf sword WW Druid. Iono when this baby goes live ill give it a shot. :)
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:21 pm

BeanCurd wrote:
Moco wrote:
Morduskull wrote:
Bit like the staff mage lock
Staff/BM mage locks are actually pretty effective/devastating unlike a druid
Staff Locks kick [fluffy bunnies].. Only way i can see a Melee druid being viable would be something crazy like a Aelf sword WW Druid. Iono when this baby goes live ill give it a shot. :)
Most viable tbh is basicly making it a hybrid, gives it the most DPS and survivability. Kinda ironic but obvious.
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Re: melee druid?

Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:00 pm

Wearbear staff druid still wins this thread.
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:09 pm

Iono it says that druids get Sword Mastery if thats true roll up a ambi WW sword druid :)
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:27 pm

BeanCurd wrote:Iono it says that druids get Sword Mastery if thats true roll up a ambi WW sword druid :)
No weapon powers 4tl, nature's wrath is better and staying out of form to cast/increase DPS.
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Re: melee druid?

Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:32 am

for ambi you would have to go elf!

bad choice without any passive def and low def overall


Im still for the s/s aelf WW druid who only fights in wereform and uses snare plus birdform to try and escape when his wereforms are not available.


Despite the many reasons not to, I will try this, once I got the gear! :geek:
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Re: melee druid?

Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:38 pm

The big issue is stam. PERIOD

Youll never get more than 500ish and by the time you get to where your going, youll have no stamina to fight.

Youll run out of stamina EVERY time and rely on your gimped spellcasting abilities....
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Re: melee druid?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:45 am

The trick is to ignore EVERY casting spell you have and truly rely on weapon dmg. Maybe thorns for a snare and 1 in lightning for a mini stun
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Re: melee druid?

Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:38 pm

I wrote a guide for a WB Staff Druid a long time ago that was actually published on the Ubi site as one of their weekly features, I think they titled it "Druid, Shaolin Style" or something like that.

I remember the toon being fairly useless except as a novelty. The interrupts and staff pb's were nice but chaining the powers for any semi-prolonged period had you out of stam pretty quick. The plus side was that when people saw you in bear form during gvg, they never really targeted you.

It's a shame that there is really no viable way to build a druid that uses the Class weapon.
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Re: melee druid?

Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:59 am

Would still be fun to get a killshot with
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Re: melee druid?

Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:30 am

try a Centaur druid with glass spear
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:04 am

haha.useless druid
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Re: melee druid?

Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:45 am

Adron wrote:I've tried. it boils down to being a melee toon with poor ability to catch (even centaur is vulnerable to snare), no stun immunity, no 2nd sprint, poor health, bad stamina, bad weapon powers, no damage-enhancing stance, and lack of passive defense (unless you use a hand for block, in which case your dps goes from poor to rancid).
Make one anyway. if you kill someone with it, they'll have to commit suicide.
I have a dwarf 2 handed hammer prelate with 1700 def 6k health 60-70% resists and damage range of 200-550. Smacks people for 6-800
with good gear and lvl 75 could have had 1800 def easy.

but he covers most of the problems listed with the melee druid.
1. easy to catch people who are 9 second stuned.
2. has toughness so plenty of health. and 20/10 weapon powers
3. no damage enhancing stance but lives in defesive and doesn't take penalty for it.
4. still lack of passive and stam :( I've seen worse builds... I just picked up a master of great hammers and was determined to use it. LOL

I killed several people on him and laughed each and every time. It was glorious.

Can't hit defense toons if his life depended on it... and it usually does... so he dies...
I have had success with it considering what he was, but overall still an aweful character despite being creative.
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